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		<title>By: [links] Link salad begins to mourn its golden locks &#124; jlake.com</title>
		<link>http://www.jlake.com/2010/02/04/writingpublishing-what-my-publisher-does-for-me-and-why-i-wont-just-quit/comment-page-1/#comment-10337</link>
		<dc:creator>[links] Link salad begins to mourn its golden locks &#124; jlake.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This dovetails nicely with my widely-linked recent piece on what my publisher does for me [&#160;jlake.com &#124; LiveJournal&#160;]. Go read him. You will [...]</description>
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		<title>By: [writing] Jay Lake&#8217;s Handy Guide to Genre Distinctions &#124; jlake.com</title>
		<link>http://www.jlake.com/2010/02/04/writingpublishing-what-my-publisher-does-for-me-and-why-i-wont-just-quit/comment-page-1/#comment-9879</link>
		<dc:creator>[writing] Jay Lake&#8217;s Handy Guide to Genre Distinctions &#124; jlake.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Susan Wenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Wenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a self-publishing company. We&#039;ve had traditionally published authors come to us because they were dissatisfied by their relationships with their publishers for one reason or another. If YOU are happy with YOUR relationship with Macmillan, then there&#039;s no reason for you to change anything.

Sometimes self-publishing is the only option for people who can&#039;t find a traditional publisher. The problems occur when they skip steps. Authors shouldn&#039;t publish without copyediting. Ever. It&#039;s also in their interest to have a professional editorial analysis done before copyediting to see if there are serious problems that a copyedit won&#039;t fix.

Authors also shouldn&#039;t attempt to lay out their own books and design their own covers unless they have enough design experience that they can pick up the specifics of book design.

Publishing services companies can consolidate all this stuff so you don&#039;t have to run around securing every service individually. You may be able to do this more cheaply on your own, so it&#039;s a question of whether you&#039;d rather deal with the inconvenience or the extra cost.

What we will NOT do is get your book into brick and mortar stores, or get your book reviewed.

Bottom line, self-publishing can be a great option for some, but do the homework to figure out what you need and what it will entail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a self-publishing company. We&#8217;ve had traditionally published authors come to us because they were dissatisfied by their relationships with their publishers for one reason or another. If YOU are happy with YOUR relationship with Macmillan, then there&#8217;s no reason for you to change anything.</p>
<p>Sometimes self-publishing is the only option for people who can&#8217;t find a traditional publisher. The problems occur when they skip steps. Authors shouldn&#8217;t publish without copyediting. Ever. It&#8217;s also in their interest to have a professional editorial analysis done before copyediting to see if there are serious problems that a copyedit won&#8217;t fix.</p>
<p>Authors also shouldn&#8217;t attempt to lay out their own books and design their own covers unless they have enough design experience that they can pick up the specifics of book design.</p>
<p>Publishing services companies can consolidate all this stuff so you don&#8217;t have to run around securing every service individually. You may be able to do this more cheaply on your own, so it&#8217;s a question of whether you&#8217;d rather deal with the inconvenience or the extra cost.</p>
<p>What we will NOT do is get your book into brick and mortar stores, or get your book reviewed.</p>
<p>Bottom line, self-publishing can be a great option for some, but do the homework to figure out what you need and what it will entail.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravan Asteris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravan Asteris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, your publisher has some gross inefficiencies in their process.  You&#039;d think they were still setting type by hand or something.  Also, someone should let them know that the place to fork the electronic edition is after copy edit and before the hardback typesetting, not after.  I think they&#039;re doing it after, which is why it costs them so much.  Baen does it right, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, your publisher has some gross inefficiencies in their process.  You&#8217;d think they were still setting type by hand or something.  Also, someone should let them know that the place to fork the electronic edition is after copy edit and before the hardback typesetting, not after.  I think they&#8217;re doing it after, which is why it costs them so much.  Baen does it right, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: [writing&#124;publishing] What my publisher does for me, and why I won &#8230; &#124; ScriptingArts.Com</title>
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		<dc:creator>[writing&#124;publishing] What my publisher does for me, and why I won &#8230; &#124; ScriptingArts.Com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Macmillan still talking with Amazon, deal may come &#8211; Reuters &#124; Denali Books</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macmillan still talking with Amazon, deal may come &#8211; Reuters &#124; Denali Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 23:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: [writing&#124;publishing] What my publisher does for me, and why I won &#8230; &#171; Internet Cafe Solution</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jaws</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to offer one extreme caution regarding Jay&#039;s otherwise useful (and, to my imperfect-but-still-pretty-good knowledge, accurate) summary.

&lt;b&gt;Jay&#039;s timelines concern book-length commercial fiction. His experiences do &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; represent the publishing cycle -- for either authors or publishers -- in the 80%+ of the publishing industry that is not book-length commercial fiction.&lt;/b&gt;

That &quot;80%+&quot; holds whether one measures by titles released, by face value, by copies sold, by compensation paid to authors, by shelf-inches devoted in general bookstores, by sales rankings at Amazon... indeed, by any numeric measure of which I am aware, and my &quot;day job&quot; involves being directly and immediately aware of what&#039;s going on in publishing.* I would certainly quibble with some aspects of Jay&#039;s timeline; for example, it makes a big difference at the publisher&#039;s end whether this is a first/standalone book or in a series for things like art sourcing, design, the marketing cycle, etc. That said, it&#039;s far, far more useful and accurate than you&#039;ll see in any of the periodicals aimed at writers!

* Which, one might add, is the bastard offspring of a three-century-long orgy among thirteen distinct and incompatible business models beginning in the early eighteenth century. You may now scratch your eyes out and reflect that there are some things you just can&#039;t unsee... like the thought of an orgy involving both Bennett Cerf and Judith Regan. With Tina Brown doing off-color commentary. Frankly, I&#039;d rather have dreams about Greg Van Eekhout playing strip Gorillas and Lions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to offer one extreme caution regarding Jay&#8217;s otherwise useful (and, to my imperfect-but-still-pretty-good knowledge, accurate) summary.</p>
<p><b>Jay&#8217;s timelines concern book-length commercial fiction. His experiences do <i>not</i> represent the publishing cycle &#8212; for either authors or publishers &#8212; in the 80%+ of the publishing industry that is not book-length commercial fiction.</b></p>
<p>That &#8220;80%+&#8221; holds whether one measures by titles released, by face value, by copies sold, by compensation paid to authors, by shelf-inches devoted in general bookstores, by sales rankings at Amazon&#8230; indeed, by any numeric measure of which I am aware, and my &#8220;day job&#8221; involves being directly and immediately aware of what&#8217;s going on in publishing.* I would certainly quibble with some aspects of Jay&#8217;s timeline; for example, it makes a big difference at the publisher&#8217;s end whether this is a first/standalone book or in a series for things like art sourcing, design, the marketing cycle, etc. That said, it&#8217;s far, far more useful and accurate than you&#8217;ll see in any of the periodicals aimed at writers!</p>
<p>* Which, one might add, is the bastard offspring of a three-century-long orgy among thirteen distinct and incompatible business models beginning in the early eighteenth century. You may now scratch your eyes out and reflect that there are some things you just can&#8217;t unsee&#8230; like the thought of an orgy involving both Bennett Cerf and Judith Regan. With Tina Brown doing off-color commentary. Frankly, I&#8217;d rather have dreams about Greg Van Eekhout playing strip Gorillas and Lions.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve@burnap.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve@burnap.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I have not seen expressed, probably because these descriptions are from successful writers, is that one thing publishers do is take on the risk of first time writers.  I wrote a few technical books in the mid eighties as a poor college student, and one reason I was able to do that was because publishers give advances on royalties.  I knew that if I turned in the manuscript on time, I&#039;d get a nice, tidy check when I turned it it, and that check couldn&#039;t be taken if the book didn&#039;t sell enough to cover it.

It&#039;s not just that the services of the copy-editors, etc. cost money, and that good ones are hard to find.  If you were entirely self-publish, you&#039;d have to pay for all that stuff up-front, with the risk that you might sell no companies and thereby see your book cost money rather than earning it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I have not seen expressed, probably because these descriptions are from successful writers, is that one thing publishers do is take on the risk of first time writers.  I wrote a few technical books in the mid eighties as a poor college student, and one reason I was able to do that was because publishers give advances on royalties.  I knew that if I turned in the manuscript on time, I&#8217;d get a nice, tidy check when I turned it it, and that check couldn&#8217;t be taken if the book didn&#8217;t sell enough to cover it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just that the services of the copy-editors, etc. cost money, and that good ones are hard to find.  If you were entirely self-publish, you&#8217;d have to pay for all that stuff up-front, with the risk that you might sell no companies and thereby see your book cost money rather than earning it.</p>
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		<title>By: Murphy Jacobs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murphy Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for making clear something about which I had only a basic understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for making clear something about which I had only a basic understanding.</p>
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