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		<title>By: Mid-career writing advice &#171; Twenty Palaces</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mid-career writing advice &#171; Twenty Palaces</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the topics going around right now is advice for writers who are &#8220;mid-career.&#8221; Check out Jay Lake, Tobias Buckell, Sherwood Smith, John Scalzi, and Jessica Reisman. And that&#8217;s just skimming [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the topics going around right now is advice for writers who are &#8220;mid-career.&#8221; Check out Jay Lake, Tobias Buckell, Sherwood Smith, John Scalzi, and Jessica Reisman. And that&#8217;s just skimming [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mid-Career Advice, &#38; Why You Can&#8217;t Moan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mid-Career Advice, &#38; Why You Can&#8217;t Moan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are some interesting discussions to be found at the blogs of Tobias Buckell and Jay Lake, where they discuss the lack of mid-career advice online. The audience changes. For one, the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Klecha</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Klecha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be a bit of a pedant, those were Tolstoy&#039;s unhappy families (from the opening of Anna Karenina) not Dostoevsky.

To the meat of the matter, I&#039;d be interested in what comes after that first book deal, as my friend Steve says, some of the business of the practice. I imagine it would be different for each, depending on how well the first books did, what opportunities arise on their own, etcetera.

From the &#039;art&#039; side, I wonder too about master class tips for characterization, evoking emotion. What lessons did you learn, what epiphanies were had about how to elicit an effect, if there were any at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be a bit of a pedant, those were Tolstoy&#8217;s unhappy families (from the opening of Anna Karenina) not Dostoevsky.</p>
<p>To the meat of the matter, I&#8217;d be interested in what comes after that first book deal, as my friend Steve says, some of the business of the practice. I imagine it would be different for each, depending on how well the first books did, what opportunities arise on their own, etcetera.</p>
<p>From the &#8216;art&#8217; side, I wonder too about master class tips for characterization, evoking emotion. What lessons did you learn, what epiphanies were had about how to elicit an effect, if there were any at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mid Career Advice at Tobias Buckell Online</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mid Career Advice at Tobias Buckell Online</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] EntryMid Career AdviceI noticed Jay Lake pointing out discussions about the lack of mid career advice online. I think he does point out a good reason for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an excellent point. I&#039;ve attended a couple of very good workshops on business for writers, but they&#039;re not common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an excellent point. I&#8217;ve attended a couple of very good workshops on business for writers, but they&#8217;re not common.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Buchheit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Buchheit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 15:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one who is breaking through the bottom stuff, I guess what I&#039;m looking for is more of the business issues side of things. Where as for those just starting out, learning the craft is more important. Once those details are (somewhat) settled, knowing the business side and how to navigate the shoals would be nice to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one who is breaking through the bottom stuff, I guess what I&#8217;m looking for is more of the business issues side of things. Where as for those just starting out, learning the craft is more important. Once those details are (somewhat) settled, knowing the business side and how to navigate the shoals would be nice to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Cora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still fall into the early career bracket (sold a few poems and stories, but haven&#039;t managed to break into the more prestigious magazines yet; no novel sale yet either), but nonetheless I find that I&#039;ve grown beyond the advice geared towards beginning writers, while I also regularly run across advice that is not yet relevant to me at the level I am current at (discussions of marketing and publicity, contract issues, how to plan/sustain a series, etc...).

However, I have largely identified where my strengths and weaknesses lie. With some of those strengths, I am aware enough that I consciously know why something works or not, while in other areas I am still struggling to learn how to consciously control and analyze what I can instinctively do pretty well (plotting is one of those - I build good plots, but I&#039;m doing it be instinct). I&#039;m also still discovering notable improvement in areas where I didn&#039;t even realize I had a deficit. Emotional depth is one of those - I recently had a breakthrough there, even though I thought I was doing okay. 

As for weaknesses, there are some I&#039;m addressing directly, some I continue to avoid for now and also some areas where I have come to the realization that a perceived weakness may just be a different way of writing. For example, I have recently accepted that I will never be a lyrical writer known for beautiful prose. It&#039;s not a competence but a voice issue. My natural voice just isn&#039;t lyrical. I can do lyrical for poems or short prose passages, but after a few paragraphs my natural voice starts creeping back in. And voice is one of my strengths.

As for finding writing advice that is insightful for someone at my level or even above, I look at a lot of blogs, writing tips sites, etc... by and for writers all across the genre spectrum. Because writers in other genres approach craft issues differently and sometimes they even address topics that aren&#039;t even considered issues in another genre. For example, if emotions and relationships are one of your perceived issues, you&#039;ll probably find more insightful posts on that subject from romance writers than in the online SFF community, because SFF in general often struggles with depicting emotions and relationships. On the other hand, romance writers with world-building issues could learn a lot from SFF writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still fall into the early career bracket (sold a few poems and stories, but haven&#8217;t managed to break into the more prestigious magazines yet; no novel sale yet either), but nonetheless I find that I&#8217;ve grown beyond the advice geared towards beginning writers, while I also regularly run across advice that is not yet relevant to me at the level I am current at (discussions of marketing and publicity, contract issues, how to plan/sustain a series, etc&#8230;).</p>
<p>However, I have largely identified where my strengths and weaknesses lie. With some of those strengths, I am aware enough that I consciously know why something works or not, while in other areas I am still struggling to learn how to consciously control and analyze what I can instinctively do pretty well (plotting is one of those &#8211; I build good plots, but I&#8217;m doing it be instinct). I&#8217;m also still discovering notable improvement in areas where I didn&#8217;t even realize I had a deficit. Emotional depth is one of those &#8211; I recently had a breakthrough there, even though I thought I was doing okay. </p>
<p>As for weaknesses, there are some I&#8217;m addressing directly, some I continue to avoid for now and also some areas where I have come to the realization that a perceived weakness may just be a different way of writing. For example, I have recently accepted that I will never be a lyrical writer known for beautiful prose. It&#8217;s not a competence but a voice issue. My natural voice just isn&#8217;t lyrical. I can do lyrical for poems or short prose passages, but after a few paragraphs my natural voice starts creeping back in. And voice is one of my strengths.</p>
<p>As for finding writing advice that is insightful for someone at my level or even above, I look at a lot of blogs, writing tips sites, etc&#8230; by and for writers all across the genre spectrum. Because writers in other genres approach craft issues differently and sometimes they even address topics that aren&#8217;t even considered issues in another genre. For example, if emotions and relationships are one of your perceived issues, you&#8217;ll probably find more insightful posts on that subject from romance writers than in the online SFF community, because SFF in general often struggles with depicting emotions and relationships. On the other hand, romance writers with world-building issues could learn a lot from SFF writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a lot of fun to chew on, frankly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a lot of fun to chew on, frankly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As several others have commented, the way it seems to work for most mid-careers is via social networking. There are a few mid-career workshops as you describe, specifically I&#039;m thinking of Rio Hondo, for example, but they aren&#039;t terribly common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As several others have commented, the way it seems to work for most mid-careers is via social networking. There are a few mid-career workshops as you describe, specifically I&#8217;m thinking of Rio Hondo, for example, but they aren&#8217;t terribly common.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Watkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Watkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of those aspiring/unpublished neophytes to which you refer, but I&#039;m also an MBA student, and your post made me wonder how that experience applies here.  In the undergraduate (aspiring) level, business students, as students in other fields, often learn primarily through pedagogical structures.  At this stage they are learning the fundamentals, and basic applications.

Successful MBA programs, on the other hand, have a very different approach: they are largely experiential, relying on case-based approaches, experiential exercises and other learning by direct application.  The concepts are often the same as what might be taught at the undergrad level, but explored from a higher level and with more practical application.

Is there a potentially analogous application for mid-career authors who want to take it to the next level?  I guess you&#039;d be doing workshops of some kind with other mid-careers - but you&#039;d need them to be taught by masters and past-masters...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those aspiring/unpublished neophytes to which you refer, but I&#8217;m also an MBA student, and your post made me wonder how that experience applies here.  In the undergraduate (aspiring) level, business students, as students in other fields, often learn primarily through pedagogical structures.  At this stage they are learning the fundamentals, and basic applications.</p>
<p>Successful MBA programs, on the other hand, have a very different approach: they are largely experiential, relying on case-based approaches, experiential exercises and other learning by direct application.  The concepts are often the same as what might be taught at the undergrad level, but explored from a higher level and with more practical application.</p>
<p>Is there a potentially analogous application for mid-career authors who want to take it to the next level?  I guess you&#8217;d be doing workshops of some kind with other mid-careers &#8211; but you&#8217;d need them to be taught by masters and past-masters&#8230;</p>
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