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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://www.jlake.com/2012/10/27/tech-talking-about-closed-computing-ecosytems/comment-page-1/#comment-61458</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a dual user.  I purchased an iPod Touch a couple of years ago because I wanted an app that was only available for iOS.  I like iOS; what I don&#039;t like is iTunes.  When I want to put new music or video files on my Android phone, I copy and paste.  Done.  When I want to put a CD or DVD I&#039;ve ripped on my iPod, I have to spend half an hour struggling to get it into iTunes, then fighting to get my iPod to recognize my iTunes password so I can move the files from iTunes to my device.  

If Apple would lose this insistence on having needlessly overcomplicated intermediary software between the files and the device, I would be fine with Apple.  I just can&#039;t buy into this adversarial Microsoft vs Apple mindset.  They both have their strengths and weaknesses.  Determining that one is &quot;better&quot; than another is like saying my favorite color is better than your favorite color.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a dual user.  I purchased an iPod Touch a couple of years ago because I wanted an app that was only available for iOS.  I like iOS; what I don&#8217;t like is iTunes.  When I want to put new music or video files on my Android phone, I copy and paste.  Done.  When I want to put a CD or DVD I&#8217;ve ripped on my iPod, I have to spend half an hour struggling to get it into iTunes, then fighting to get my iPod to recognize my iTunes password so I can move the files from iTunes to my device.  </p>
<p>If Apple would lose this insistence on having needlessly overcomplicated intermediary software between the files and the device, I would be fine with Apple.  I just can&#8217;t buy into this adversarial Microsoft vs Apple mindset.  They both have their strengths and weaknesses.  Determining that one is &#8220;better&#8221; than another is like saying my favorite color is better than your favorite color.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 17:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and last thought...if I get a tablet, I will primarily be getting it as a computer substitute for my wife. She is on the generally unwilling to learn new things side of the technology fence, so I will probably buy her a 10&quot; iPad and be done with it. If I were getting it for ME, I would be getting the Google Nexus tablet, but I don&#039;t need a table, as I have a computer, and will be acquiring another laptop to replace my now dead laptop (power supply burned out the mother board...it was 9 years old anyway, so it was time to replace).  And I don&#039;t like reading books on tablets as I find it stresses my eyes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and last thought&#8230;if I get a tablet, I will primarily be getting it as a computer substitute for my wife. She is on the generally unwilling to learn new things side of the technology fence, so I will probably buy her a 10&#8243; iPad and be done with it. If I were getting it for ME, I would be getting the Google Nexus tablet, but I don&#8217;t need a table, as I have a computer, and will be acquiring another laptop to replace my now dead laptop (power supply burned out the mother board&#8230;it was 9 years old anyway, so it was time to replace).  And I don&#8217;t like reading books on tablets as I find it stresses my eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.jlake.com/2012/10/27/tech-talking-about-closed-computing-ecosytems/comment-page-1/#comment-61452</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and my smartphones have always been droids because iPhones started out unavailable on my local network. I have a Droid Bionic now. I&#039;ll probably be upgrading to which ever base Motorala Droid has the slide out keyboard when it comes time to upgrade my current phone because I dearly miss my slide out keyboard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and my smartphones have always been droids because iPhones started out unavailable on my local network. I have a Droid Bionic now. I&#8217;ll probably be upgrading to which ever base Motorala Droid has the slide out keyboard when it comes time to upgrade my current phone because I dearly miss my slide out keyboard.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m  a Linux admin for a living. Use Windows 7 on my main computer at home because my wife refuses to deal with Linux desktop. Windows 7 is pretty stable. Have had 1 issue in over a year, and that was cleared up with a file system check. 
Linux, once I get it set up, is completely stable for me as long as I don&#039;t change hardware. Then it takes a couple of days of futzing to work out the hardware issues. 
I will say, I have more troubles with my iPod on an ongoing basis than my computers - but my iPod is going on 9 years old and there is a planned obsolescence in  those devices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m  a Linux admin for a living. Use Windows 7 on my main computer at home because my wife refuses to deal with Linux desktop. Windows 7 is pretty stable. Have had 1 issue in over a year, and that was cleared up with a file system check.<br />
Linux, once I get it set up, is completely stable for me as long as I don&#8217;t change hardware. Then it takes a couple of days of futzing to work out the hardware issues.<br />
I will say, I have more troubles with my iPod on an ongoing basis than my computers &#8211; but my iPod is going on 9 years old and there is a planned obsolescence in  those devices.</p>
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		<title>By: [cancer] Chemo series three, session three, day three &#124; jlake.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>[cancer] Chemo series three, session three, day three &#124; jlake.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 13:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Cora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 13:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s actually another pro for Windows for me. Like Dave, I have a go-to IT guy for any hard- or software trouble I can&#039;t resolve myself. I&#039;ve known this guy for a long time, he&#039;s fast and good and his prices are decent.

But if I switched to an Apple product, I&#039;d have to go to the bloody Apple store with its freakily cheery employees every time I have a service issue. The only Apple store in my city is in a mall on the other side of town. And if Jay&#039;s recent troubles are any indication, they aren&#039;t too flexible. Meanwhile, my regular IT guy comes by at my place, when I have an issue, or gives me remote support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s actually another pro for Windows for me. Like Dave, I have a go-to IT guy for any hard- or software trouble I can&#8217;t resolve myself. I&#8217;ve known this guy for a long time, he&#8217;s fast and good and his prices are decent.</p>
<p>But if I switched to an Apple product, I&#8217;d have to go to the bloody Apple store with its freakily cheery employees every time I have a service issue. The only Apple store in my city is in a mall on the other side of town. And if Jay&#8217;s recent troubles are any indication, they aren&#8217;t too flexible. Meanwhile, my regular IT guy comes by at my place, when I have an issue, or gives me remote support.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Trowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.jlake.com/2012/10/27/tech-talking-about-closed-computing-ecosytems/comment-page-1/#comment-61433</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Trowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2012 03:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve long detested Apple for a variety of reasons, and absolutely will not use any of their products. That said, your point about the value of your time is well taken. However, we&#039;ve decided that as writers who work out of our home, it makes more sense to outsource our IT maintenance to a local expert. That&#039;s probably more expensive in the long run than switching to Apple (certainly more expensive that starting out with Apple), but I&#039;m willing to pay that cost to avoid the cultic garden.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve long detested Apple for a variety of reasons, and absolutely will not use any of their products. That said, your point about the value of your time is well taken. However, we&#8217;ve decided that as writers who work out of our home, it makes more sense to outsource our IT maintenance to a local expert. That&#8217;s probably more expensive in the long run than switching to Apple (certainly more expensive that starting out with Apple), but I&#8217;m willing to pay that cost to avoid the cultic garden.</p>
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		<title>By: Cora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 18:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been a PC user since the beginning (1987 in my case) and I&#039;ve never even considered switching to Apple. All my files and my hardware are for Windows and converting would be a nightmare. I still use the old Lotus SmartSuite (miles better than Office) for some applications and I could never get those files to run on Apple. Plus, all of my desktops back to the mid 1990s have been self-assembled and if something fails, I take it out and replace it, while keeping the data on my harddrive. I can&#039;t do that with Apple, because I can&#039;t take their darned machines apart. I have considered Linux, but it&#039;s a bit too open source for me. 

But even if I should ever want a smartphone, mobile MP3 player or tablet (I don&#039;t have either, just an ancient mobile phone), I wouldn&#039;t buy an iWhatever. IMO they&#039;re over-priced and in no way better than e.g. Samsung&#039;s products. Plus, the famous Apple design sense just doesn&#039;t appeal to me at all and I hate touchscreens. In fact, it annoys me that the new Windows looks like Apple&#039;s stuff, because I don&#039;t like that look at all. 

I understand why someone would prefer Apple in areas like graphic design or in cases like yours, where you&#039;ve used Apple products for a long time. But the cult that has sprung up around Apple products annoys me. It&#039;s an electronic product, not a religion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a PC user since the beginning (1987 in my case) and I&#8217;ve never even considered switching to Apple. All my files and my hardware are for Windows and converting would be a nightmare. I still use the old Lotus SmartSuite (miles better than Office) for some applications and I could never get those files to run on Apple. Plus, all of my desktops back to the mid 1990s have been self-assembled and if something fails, I take it out and replace it, while keeping the data on my harddrive. I can&#8217;t do that with Apple, because I can&#8217;t take their darned machines apart. I have considered Linux, but it&#8217;s a bit too open source for me. </p>
<p>But even if I should ever want a smartphone, mobile MP3 player or tablet (I don&#8217;t have either, just an ancient mobile phone), I wouldn&#8217;t buy an iWhatever. IMO they&#8217;re over-priced and in no way better than e.g. Samsung&#8217;s products. Plus, the famous Apple design sense just doesn&#8217;t appeal to me at all and I hate touchscreens. In fact, it annoys me that the new Windows looks like Apple&#8217;s stuff, because I don&#8217;t like that look at all. </p>
<p>I understand why someone would prefer Apple in areas like graphic design or in cases like yours, where you&#8217;ve used Apple products for a long time. But the cult that has sprung up around Apple products annoys me. It&#8217;s an electronic product, not a religion.</p>
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		<title>By: NOCammack</title>
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		<dc:creator>NOCammack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[tech] Talking about closed computing ecosytems: To state the bleedingly obvious, one of the great divides in co... http://t.co/um1S3Kok]]></description>
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		<title>By: Thomas E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having used all three operating systems, plus other ones, I think that different approaches are best for different projects and people.

Or, in other words, use each operating system for what it is good for.

When I was developing server side applications, linux all the way.

If I want to spend the least time messing about, Macs.

If I want a wide software ecosystem, windows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having used all three operating systems, plus other ones, I think that different approaches are best for different projects and people.</p>
<p>Or, in other words, use each operating system for what it is good for.</p>
<p>When I was developing server side applications, linux all the way.</p>
<p>If I want to spend the least time messing about, Macs.</p>
<p>If I want a wide software ecosystem, windows.</p>
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