[politics] In which a presumed conservative attempts to school me on Obamacare

A couple of days ago, a gentleman on Twitter of presumably conservative disposition decided to school me on my liberal misconceptions about the Affordable Care Act. It started when I made the following tweet, mocking someone whose unfortunate personal issues are expressing themselves painfully through a political lens.

measured discourse tweet

This was about the same time I had made my post entitled “The government shutdown and the ACA and me” [ jlake.com | LiveJournal ], which may influenced this gentleman’s response. He dug out an old tweet of mine from January and responded thusly:

Obamacare tweets

With a follow up mocking my own supposed irrationality:

response to measured discourse

My response was:

spending cap reply

The thing is, @AndyHDavis was and is flatly wrong on the plain face of the facts. The ACA did help me, effective about two years ago. He’s confusing the current healthcare exchange implementation process with the act as a whole.

Me, I’m wrong a lot too. Somedays I’m wrong about damned near everything. But if you’re going to argue politics with me, don’t get your talking points from FOX News. FOX News viewers are consistently the most misinformed segment of the public on damned near any topic you care to name. Most especially including Obamacare. Which is what happens when you privilege ideology over facts and data, as the entire Republican political, media and social establishment has been doing for the past two decades.

What I would say to @AndyHDavis as a followup, if I thought it would do any good at all to engage, is this:

“You were flatly wrong about the ACA and spending caps. Are you open to the possibility that you’re wrong about other aspects of the ACA?”

More generally, if you’re going to school me for being a stupid liberal moonbat, use actual facts from the real world, not noise from inside the conservative epistemological bubble.

40 thoughts on “[politics] In which a presumed conservative attempts to school me on Obamacare

  1. Jay, sorry you had to experience that. In my experience online and off, mouth breathers have never met a fact that they like or agree with. I think the mistake we keep making, myself included, is to expect rational thought from this ilk. It’s just not gonna happen. Because their world view is based on fevered fantastical and paranoid dreams and non-belief in rational, scientific thought.

    1. Jay says:

      Amazingly to me, according to his Twitter bio, this guy is talk show host. I shouldn’t be surprised but always am that people in a public communications role persist in being so willfully misinformed, and more to the point, in proudly spreading that misinformation.

  2. Cora says:

    As for nations prospering under the policies of the current administration, pretty much all of Europe, Canada, Australia and likely plenty of other countries I’m not aware of have universal health insurance of some kind and are prospering.

  3. Kerrie Lynn Hughes says:

    @Paul: I used to work for group and ind health ins. Group did not have to take you w/o prex, they had to give you portability which means if you went from one group to another the new company could not apply prex.

  4. Kerrie Lynn Hughes says:

    …if you came from individual, or had a gap in insurance they could apply prex or cover you with a rider depending on the state. They also could drop you if you got sick.

  5. Kerrie Lynn Hughes says:

    …also, if you got sick and couldn’t work anymore your company then drops you off any shared premium payments and made you pay the entire premium, then you moved to Cobra, then you moved to being dropped, sick or not…ACA fixed this.

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